(just an opinion though). SIGH From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.” These are just the most plausible possibilities. This likely half-sibling relationship between Leta, who is currently engaged to Newt’s brother Theseus, and Credence introduces new reasons to worry that Credence may wind up siding with Grindelwald. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} As such, he may have carried his sentence until after the death of his wife and daughter, and gone into self-imposed exile; after that, he may have remarried and had Credence, making Albus his half-brother. Anyway, I don't want to go into who the father might be as it will all be explained in the sequel but this is my theory on how it's going to play out. Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. Whoopdie-do! If Credence is Dumbledore's maternal half-brother, the youngest he could be is 28.) Obscurials created by traumatic magical suppression. But the wikis suggest their friendship only lasted a couple of months... which doesn't seem right at all... so I don't think she died in 1899 as people think and I think people are confused as to when that duel actually happened. It's just too important, you'll see. The escape goat part killed me. It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. 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Was Grindelwald telling the truth? Creedance is the son of Albus, who did not know he fathered a son. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Giphy At this moment, I literally said wtf aloud in the theater. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Was he lying? Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. The Dumbledores were the subject of much gossip, since Ariana was rarely seen, and a fist fight broke out at her funeral between her older brothers.How… He has no clue that he will try to (and inevitably) break the pact. His brother, Aberforth, appears in Harry Potter and the … As for Percival, well, we don't exactly know the year in which he died, nor if his sentence was permanent. This is an open area. Once Dumbledore and Aberforth headed to … The ship later sank during a storm and Credence was taken by Leta and Irma Dugard to a lifeboat. Creedance is just a random child with an Obscurus, and Grindelwald needed something more powerful than himself and Albus to try to defeat him. It makes sense. I think people get so involved in this fictional world and the dates and everything that they forget this is a story, and stories tend to connect. Hence fawkes being there for credence, fawkes recognizes part of credence as being a Dumbledore and needing the most amount of protection. ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} The short answer is no - Kendra was killed in June of 1899, and, again, Credence/Aurelius wasn't born until 1901 at the earliest, so it's not possible that Kendra is his mother. This would also explain why Grindelwald knows Credence is a Dumbledore and honestly I think this whole thing is very likely to be what that whole three way duel was about. Perhaps not, and Credence was given away at birth, never talked about to Albus, Aberforth, and Ariana by Kendra. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} OK this had me laughing for a while. Now, here’s where things get a bit tricky. Maybe Grindelwald was lying? ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} Grindelwald claims that Credence is a mysterious missing Dumbledore and, given the fact that a phoenix appears to … At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/ Credence is his brother only because the Phoenix showed up for Credence. And that Credence’s brother … You gave 3 possbilities, but those aren't the only 3. Because of this, the Pheonix is drawn to Creedance because of him hosting a part of Ariana. The film´s producer said Credence will come back as a major player, and will have significantly bigger role in the following movies than Newt Scamander Therefore, the trauma she had from the attack caused her to become one at a young age. Harry's kid doesn't have a scar on his forehead because he inherited the scar-on-the-forehead gene from his dad, because that's not how GD genetics work. This doesn't make sense. I don't think Credence was ever intended to be thought of as a brother (but I don't blame people, the plot was super confusing). The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. SO because I’m still That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. Press J to jump to the feed. Grindelwald lied to him by saying Dumbledore is his brother and that he seeks to destroy him, to get Credence to seek revenge against him and kill him. Percival was sent to And the timeline is strange. Wiki: “Ariana died when she was accidentally struck by a curse in a three-way duel between her older brothers and Gellert Grindelwald.”. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Credence's earliest year of birth (as listed on the wiki) is 1899, and Kendra was killed in the summer of that same year. No one did. As far as we know, Albus Dumbledore only has one brother and one sister. Aurelius Dumbledore, as Grindelwald names him. Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. So what do you think? The Phoenix was always a part of the plan, and was just a tool to convince Creedance further. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} Lots of exposition revealed through dialogue. By nature, the Obscurus takes on properties of its host, essentially becoming part of them. I thought that was obvious enough at the end. 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Grindelwald may not be intentionally lying, he may be misunderstanding the true reason for the return of the Phoenix. From looking on various wikis there is this suggestion that Ariana died during a fight with Albus and Grindelwald and that they stopped being friends soon after. Given that Grindelwald refers to Albus as Credence's brother, and assuming Grindelwald is telling the truth, then that means Credence can't be Ariana's child, as that would make Albus Credence's uncle. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} I agree though, the reveal on who Creedance really is, is going to be rather lackluster. She couldn’t control her powers and would occasionally explode with magic, just like Credence. 2. Who is Credence really? He was switched in the crib by a young Leta Lestrange for her half-brother Corvus because he was crying. But Dumbledore’s mother Kendra died in an “explosion” in the summer of 1899 when her daughter, Ariana, lost control of her magic . They don't just casually mention Dumbledore's sister's death while also talking about how close Grindelwald and Dumbledore are if they're not going to explore that duel that separated them and what happened. I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. Wouldn’t credence have to be much much older? I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. That just leaves Percival and Kendra Dumbledore. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a Leta Lestrange (Zoe Kravitz) confesses in the Lestrange tomb that she 'killed' her brother Corvus. Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? Doesn’t it say there was a body at her funeral...in the book. I will be really disappointed otherwise. So for Kendra, we have a very short time frame. ), or hell maybe make her alive and pin the final nail in the "let's ruin Albus's entire motivations and regrets" coffin, who the hell knows. I seriously doubt Percival would have remarried - everything he did, he did for the safety of his family, and he could have easily told the truth about Ariana's situation and gotten a reduced sentence. moist popular theory is that arianna's obscurus now resides in credence. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. Everyone figured it out already. There is also She’s built for novels, and by Crimes of Grindelwald, you could tell it was a very novel-like plot. One puzzling question hanging in the air as we wait for the next film is whether Albus knew that Credence/Aurelius was his brother. Grindelwald is lying completely to Creedance, and is using his immense, uncontrollable power to try to take out Albus. But then Grindelwald calls him Albus' brother. Credence is a Dumbledore. Is he Leta's brother? At the end of the second film in the new series, Gellert Grindelwald (played by Johnny Depp) tells Ezra Miller’s Credence Barebone that he is actually Albus Dumbledore’s brother, Aurelius. I watched it today and my theory is that he is her son. Dumbledore’s obituary mentioned only a brother and a sister. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It seems strange that there’s been no mention at all of a fourth Dumbledore sibling. A subreddit to discuss the new installments in the Wizarding World, the Fantastic Beasts series! That's really just the beginning of her tragedies. SIGH, From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.”, Also: “During a fit when she was fourteen years old, Ariana caused a magical explosion that killed her mother.”. Either way, I absolutely agree that Rowling is nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is, and whatever she pulls in Fantastic Beasts 3 will probably be too much of a stretch. Credence Barebone was born around 1901, allegedly to the Dumbledore family, as Aurelius Dumbledore, according to Gellert Grindelwald.In 1901, Credence was taken by his aunt on a ship heading to America. Or is there a theory? We don’t know who killed her. All this stuff about the aunt being the mother or him not even being real just seems a little crazy. 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